Memers argument #2 please don't be at each other's throats, is that too much to ask for?
So I made a post a while ago ‘the memers argument’ which was closed for a very good reason that ppl were constantly at each other’s throats not to name any names but I already think you know who you are. So I’m making another post which hopefully won’t turn into a post like the previous as I want to make a positive impact and I know that shewolf said that she would take any questions directly but I believe that it isn’t the way to deal with it. We need to make it so that it can be (maturely) debated among the community unlike it was before. So I got that out of the way now we can actually put our points across.
So as most of you know I would like a relaxation In the rules to be more allowing to ppl with a higher tolerance for jokes. At the moment the main problem is that the rules are blurred there is a foggy line left for interpretation by the viewer. We say that we can not allow A, B and C but we do not clearly define A, B and C and the Ines who do enter their personal bias opinion which is not what I think should happen as it can be confusing for a number of reasons. So a quick and very easy solution would to say ok there is a blurry line let’s make it sharp; from now one anything that can be offensive in any way is punishable. This may be effective of clearing the matter of what A, B and C is but it defeats the purpose of a community. I think that it’s safe to say that without debate we want GG to grow and expand in numbers but that can’t always work if the rules are so strict you will often find ppl come on to joke and have a laugh which I have seen many time which in most cases has been followed by a staff member telling them they can’t do it and/or mute/gagging them which isn’t what we want if ppl join they want to be welcomed not pushed away. What I propose is that we should not punish them IF they are the only ones being affected. This means that no matter the amount of ppl on the server at the time if no one finds it offensive then they should be allowed to continue. Some may say how would you decide if ppl took offence well it is simple A) do you get a report in admin chat to deal with this matter bc someone doesn’t like it. Or
it states in the application for janitor that you should be 15+ or mature so that should mean you should be able to look at the chat and decide to a reasonable extent whether someone is being annoyed by this and if so you should pm them and ask them what’s wrong and it may just be they don’t want ppl constantly taking into the mic in which case you can tell them how to block sound from certain ppl or if they find it offence you should, with that maturity, decide if it is too offensive in which case then yes tell them and if they don’t shut up, sure mute/gag them but you can not expect someone to seriously stop taking bc a person put into chat ‘can you shut up’ or something along those lines we both know that’s going to do nothing to stop it so we need to have a better system to deal with it and actually relax the rules so that it isn’t in the complete hands of staff to deal with the matter but the community itself and how they feel.
So I’m very welcome to any other opinion may it be long the same lines as mine or completely different I will respect them but I will also put a counter comment across to let you try and see the other side but as I said at the start please don’t attack someone directly put your opinion on the matter across and nothing else to do with anyone in particular bc that’s what got the last post closed and I want to try and make a decent and positive change… if that isn’t too much to ask for
So as most of you know I would like a relaxation In the rules to be more allowing to ppl with a higher tolerance for jokes. At the moment the main problem is that the rules are blurred there is a foggy line left for interpretation by the viewer. We say that we can not allow A, B and C but we do not clearly define A, B and C and the Ines who do enter their personal bias opinion which is not what I think should happen as it can be confusing for a number of reasons. So a quick and very easy solution would to say ok there is a blurry line let’s make it sharp; from now one anything that can be offensive in any way is punishable. This may be effective of clearing the matter of what A, B and C is but it defeats the purpose of a community. I think that it’s safe to say that without debate we want GG to grow and expand in numbers but that can’t always work if the rules are so strict you will often find ppl come on to joke and have a laugh which I have seen many time which in most cases has been followed by a staff member telling them they can’t do it and/or mute/gagging them which isn’t what we want if ppl join they want to be welcomed not pushed away. What I propose is that we should not punish them IF they are the only ones being affected. This means that no matter the amount of ppl on the server at the time if no one finds it offensive then they should be allowed to continue. Some may say how would you decide if ppl took offence well it is simple A) do you get a report in admin chat to deal with this matter bc someone doesn’t like it. Or

So I’m very welcome to any other opinion may it be long the same lines as mine or completely different I will respect them but I will also put a counter comment across to let you try and see the other side but as I said at the start please don’t attack someone directly put your opinion on the matter across and nothing else to do with anyone in particular bc that’s what got the last post closed and I want to try and make a decent and positive change… if that isn’t too much to ask for
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- Jans need to loosen up12 votes
- Nope50.00%
- Yep41.67%
- The rules are the problem not the staff  8.33%
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About the "Tell teh person how to mute someone in game" this can be a problem in Jailbreak as if that annoying non-stop talking and offensive player gets muted and then goes warden, The mutee will be constantly RDMd as they MUTED THE WARDEN -_- where-as I see the point in this in Murder, Deathrun and Bhop (not sure in TTT it seems like you are kinda required to hear if someone calls out a traitor). This would be uselss in Jailbreak. Therefor, I will be sticking with I get a complaint I deal with it with a warning, a mute/gag then a kick. I will not be changing this in any way.
Not here to start an argurment but to afk "what if" situations. I actually don't disagree with most of the points you come out with but is there not a lot of "What if's" still that would mark the grey zone?
I will try to explain my self with an example:
3-4 friends of mine + me plays on ehhh murder for example and 4-5 other friends plays together as well on the same server. Then they start to call each other dickface and whatever because that is what friends do to each other. I am not in the mood for hearing constant trash talk to each other over mic so I "mute" them as you have told me how to do and staff don't seem to have a problem with them calling each other dicks.
Suddenly a third party "one of my friends" shouts "Ahh come on SHUT UP". Then I would have no clue to whom or why he is saying shut up. Suddenly he might have a dissusion with the 4-5 other friends that I don't wanna be listen to. Former staff leaves and a new staff member comes in. The other 4-5 friends complains in admin chat that someone tells them to shut up when they actually were the ones who started to constanly talk over mic.
Staff desides to mute or gag my friend cause he is being loud. Now I can't hear him anymore and neither can I deffend my friend cause I did not hear what the other 4-5 friends said to him cause I had them muted. The new staff member don't know the whole story and only know what happend when they joined.
This would have an impact on me and the rest of my friends cause now we can no longer talk with the muted friend (who spoke out that it was the other 4-5 people) who were being loud.
(This is not something that have happend but something I easy can see could happen).
Now the simple answer would be. Why don't you (Shooting Star) just tell your friend that he can mute them as well like you did?
Well if we have to tell everyone everytime they join how to mute people because they are loud then it would be a long life right?
I am not targeting anyone here (anonymous people) so please don't say I am a terrible player or whatever again. I am just trying to have an argument with ed here and a pleasant time on GG.
So there will always be a grey zone no matter how well you explain the rules unless you have read law or ... yeah smart stuff xD
I like to look at things from another point of view then you guys are looking at now.
For example GG is struggling with getting new players that actually stick around at the moment. So I place myself in a new players mind that joins a server like GG. If people are allowed to call each other whatever they want this would be the case: First thing I see is some people that I don't know calling each other dickface, fucker, nigger or whatever the fuck is being said. My first impression: uhm...not really my scene. I wouldn't feel comfortable to start a conversation with those people (and most of the others in a server are not really chatting when this kind of stuff is going on usually). It would most likely trigger irritation instead of spontaneous chatting. It would be very different when you join a server and the players are chatting and talking about games or just cheeky teasing. I would feel way more at ease here.
I personally think it is selfish to say that you are not affecting anyone else in the server (even if there are no complaints). You got to think of the bigger picture here. Not everyone actually says they find something uncomfortable or annoying and they just leave and never come back. Yes people need to be able to take a joke, but I personally think that should be in a place where is not necessarily forced upon everyone playing on our servers. For that we have TeamSpeak, Discord, Steamgroupchat (whoever that actually uses).
It is a very different server but I became admin on the MiniServers where I had a few servers. I forced myself to say hi to every new person that joined and asked how they were etc. I don't mind trolls at all and DR attracts a lot of them for example but I didn't accept any disrespect to me or any other player, even if they were friends. I always asked them kindly to take that to TS or anywhere else, but they were very welcome to keep playing and chatting. I got the servers populated quite fast due to that and ended up with a solid player base that (usually) had a great time together without stepping out of line on the servers itself. The things that were said on TS were a different story, but like I said. There it isn't forced on anyone and they don't bother anyone that just wants to have a relaxed time on the servers. Of course there are also boundaries on TS as well, but I feel there are other boundaries there.
And the point about TS. Yes I get that you still needs to join TS if you aren't already, but if you want to chat with friends without any or almost no boundaries, I advice you to get on TS when you start playing. Then you wouldn't have the problem of saying things you shouldn't in the server itself.
I personally from past experience and other players will probably back me up here completely agree with you on the matter of when another staff member comes along and tries to deal with a situation that occurred before they where online, so this is what I propose due to the fact that it is unrealistic to always expect the staff member who has just come online to always be able to contact the one that has just left, because what if there wasn't one on when it happened along with them going offline on steam and so on, I am right in think all staff are on a kik chat tho but even still they might not be able to view it when they go offline, and its unrealistic for that staff member to be able to get a statement from everybody involved to deal with the situation, that's even assuming that everybody is telling the truth and not holding back information.
So back to my solution,
I propose that:
The staff member tells everybody who is complaining about something that happened before they got online in one short message that all players can see, possibly via "t say", for those with no clue what that is it enables staff to send a message everybody can see in chat but doesn't include a name or rank before the message, just the message, that they are unable to deal with anything that happened before they got online but they will take notes of their reports and if they see the behavior occurring they will assume the report was accurate and then deal with it then. Personally I think this is the ideal solution for everybody, it avoids people getting punished for something they didn't do or didn't do the full extent of what is being said and it also stops the person if they did do said action from doing said action again as they now know that their past offences will be punished along with their future offences if they choose to do said offence again.
Also just too add, if somebody is looking to punish or report somebody for something that happened whilst another staff member was online wouldn't it make sense to ignore the report as it was something that happened when another staff member was online so surely they would have dealt with it at the time? Just pointing out a fact that I often think is overlooked as if the person is making the report to you they clearly show the ability to be able to make a report and contact staff so I would assume they had made contact with the staff that was just online and that staff had deemed it non punishable.
Now you may point out that what if they had been given a warning by the staff member who just left and this time it should be a mute/gag but they are given another warning. This is why we have trusted members and people we trust personally, ask them and trust in the fact that they will give you the truth about whether the person had been given a warning if somebody claims they had. If there is no members online of this type and you cant make contact with the staff that was just online then a warning system might come in handy where the warnings are given via a command and then viewable view a command, I know this was planned to be implemented into jb as staff mocked the fact they could view peoples warnings but not actually give them, if you cant get that too work then I say what can another warning hurt?like srsly is it that bad them getting warned again? would you prefer to be unfairly muted or gagged due to people falsely claiming things or have somebody get away with another warning every now and then as this is a massive if this and that cant happen situation
Sorry for the massive statement once again, anonymous user out( Silent is still crying like a pussy and nobody else said anything else about the post just raze sent a video of a moth spinning in circles...)
I'm not gay so I'm not gonna kiss you like Silent says he wants to @Djharper but I still fully agree with you on this, that would work and would put a good chunk of this discussion to rest however I did get a tad confused when you started talking about private lounges accepting or revoking the rules even after a second read sorry-Me
I would like to point out how Orii mentioned "You could just leave the rules as "don't be an insensitive prick"", the thing is, the rules SHOULD ALREADY, be like this, simply put if you want to be a community of friendly people with friendly staff and friendly players, then you need to start by being friendly yourself, anyone who comes here to ruin that or to start shit, should be banned without a reason at all.
I believe that at the moment the rules are too open and free, easily exploited amongst other things, hopefully in the near future we can see a better and clearer implementation of the rules, as well as some reform in terms of how we deal with things in this community, hopefully for the good of all of us except the ones who are dead. (thumbs up for gr8 game)